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The Brothers Krynn's avatar

I was into Norse Paganism for a while but it lacked firmament and did not answer most questions properly and borrowed too heavily from Christianity. And morally it relied on Christian ethics and philosophy so what's the point of assatruism?

At this point I view pagan revival nonsense as larping and don't take it seriously. I'm a blood and soil guy, but view pgan stories as fun and a great source to mine for my stories. That said they are a cloak for Catholic philosophy and morality play.

It is also why I don't discuss apologetics with Pagans. I need not prove or apologize foe anything. It is them who ought to prove their 'faith' or lack thereof to me and others. They also are terrible at apologetics.

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I was a Celtic Reconstructionist.

Actual study of the Culture, Archeology, language, myths is not actually present.

For example, Reincarnation, is NOT an Western European concept, it does Not exist in ANY context of ANY pre Christian Western European Myths.

The Celtic Tir Na Nagogh, or the Teutonic Hel/Valhalla/Freys hall, and the Greek Hades are clear in that.

Try and discuss that fact with them... Or the roots in Ancestor worship.

What I did find was, deliberately misrepresented history, ignorance of and denial of Archeology, History and the surviving myths. Along with abject ignorance of the cultural context of the larping.

I would estimate that 90% of "Theology" discussion revolved around;

(1) Christians stole Pagan beliefs-Practices-customs.

(2) Pagans good, Christians Bad.

(3) Completely distorted, deliberately misrepresented history.

(4) Christians murdered Pagans

(5) Christians are evil

(6) Did we mention Christians are bad lately?

I should point out, Pretty much everything the Pagans held as "Good, Moral, Ethical" is derived entirely from the last 1500 years of Western European Christian Civilization.

Heavily influenced by the Romantic revival of the 1800s.

Try talking to a Celtic Pagan about Brehon law, or the Actual myths, or the Archeological evidence, or contemporary Greek and Roman references...

9 out of 10 are abjectly clueless.

One of my favorites is" they never wrote anything down"

Funny all those folded lead prayers and curses found in sacred wells written in Greek, Roman, Ligurian, Tartessian, Etruscan, Alphabets, in Brythonic, Gaulish, Galatian, Celt-Iberian...

Funny all those ruins, pre Roman in Celt-Iberian regions with inscriptions written in Celtic Languages, using Tartessian script....

You would think those things, prayers especially, and Altar inscriptions, would be important to Reconstructionists.

There is no active actual revival of pre Christian Western European Religion occurring.

There is a rebellion against corruption, Abuse, on one side, and general rebellion for rebellion on the other.

The current practices are based entirely on misunderstanding, pure invention, and a great deal of anger.

The ODDEST thing is, to me, all that anger, hate, is never about personal experience, it's always framed in the classic Marxist dichotomy, and is exactly the same as shown by Marxist vs Capitalism, and the far left obsession with being offended for others sake.

Regarding Marxism,

There is a very small conservative/Libertarian element among the neo Pagans, however the majority of neopagans fall inline with the Marxist socialist beliefs.

I had a couple of prominent, international Celtic "Scholars" in the movement tell me I could not worship The Irish Battle Goddess because I am a Cis White Male and not a Marxist.

What?

Huh?

That was step one in my wake up.

Step two was Reading the Book of John.

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