I agree wholly with the sentiments presented here, and I think it especially important to bring these ideas to young people. Also, I really enjoyed Simmons’ Ilium and Olympos.
I took Jeffro to task for his assertion to read nothing after 1980 on Twitter before I was permabanned. I pointed out that may be his assertion had merit for Anglophone literature but not outside and even then..
For example, in Catalan, a lot of the 'classics' were published starting in the 1960s when the Franconist regime relaxed its cultural genocide polices.
The Latin American boom is from the 60s until 1979 and so on. He conceded that each region/language has its cut off point, but he still held his position.
I flatly disagreed with him and still do,
My vehement disagreement originated from the canon isn't set in concrete and fixed forever. Misha responding to Cirsova remarked similarly. He noted his canon was different from the latter's. In other word, to create content, the canon will vary depending on the type of story, but the former is still there; always present even if unacknowledged
Anyway, this ongoing discussion about the canon has been salutary and allowed us to sharpen our arguments.
I tend to take it for granted since past writers are my field of study, and I guess also because of a different national-cultural environment; I didn't realize before this whole affair that writers of all people had to be reminded of the topic. I hope they'll listen to you and A. Hellene if not Jeffro.
I'm going to answer here, but I think this might require a longer post itself.
I believe in solid standards and knowledge and I think I make a reasonable case for this in my above post. I will disagree and have a conversation with anybody on these topics. I also believe in a robust critical community where we can disagree about things and also hone the quality of work put out.
But, I also think online platforms are toxic, dehumanizing, hives. I think as good men, good people, and good Christians, acting like losers and insulting each other online is not edifying.
If you think that hiding behind a screen and insulting people over fantasy stories and role playing games as a man over 40 with adult children is respectable than you and I are not on the same side because I would be embarrassed to look my daughter in the eyes and tell her that I spend my time on Twitter insulting people because they don't read early 20th century pulp stories about elves.
You aren't being a "bad cop" you are being an online cuck bugman who digitally masturbates by insulting your own side.
I agree wholly with the sentiments presented here, and I think it especially important to bring these ideas to young people. Also, I really enjoyed Simmons’ Ilium and Olympos.
Alexandru,
I took Jeffro to task for his assertion to read nothing after 1980 on Twitter before I was permabanned. I pointed out that may be his assertion had merit for Anglophone literature but not outside and even then..
For example, in Catalan, a lot of the 'classics' were published starting in the 1960s when the Franconist regime relaxed its cultural genocide polices.
The Latin American boom is from the 60s until 1979 and so on. He conceded that each region/language has its cut off point, but he still held his position.
I flatly disagreed with him and still do,
My vehement disagreement originated from the canon isn't set in concrete and fixed forever. Misha responding to Cirsova remarked similarly. He noted his canon was different from the latter's. In other word, to create content, the canon will vary depending on the type of story, but the former is still there; always present even if unacknowledged
Anyway, this ongoing discussion about the canon has been salutary and allowed us to sharpen our arguments.
xavier
Your best post so far.
Thank you. This is a topic I feel deeply about.
I tend to take it for granted since past writers are my field of study, and I guess also because of a different national-cultural environment; I didn't realize before this whole affair that writers of all people had to be reminded of the topic. I hope they'll listen to you and A. Hellene if not Jeffro.
I think you are too quick to discount the good fruits of bullying our side into getting into shape. But every bad cop needs a good cop.
To be clear, there should be a good cop to Jeffro's bad cop, a carrot to go with the stick. In the meantime, I seem to have fallen into 'worse cop'.
No, that just makes me an arsehole. But it's out of love. I want them to grow, because we need men on the barricades.
I'm going to answer here, but I think this might require a longer post itself.
I believe in solid standards and knowledge and I think I make a reasonable case for this in my above post. I will disagree and have a conversation with anybody on these topics. I also believe in a robust critical community where we can disagree about things and also hone the quality of work put out.
But, I also think online platforms are toxic, dehumanizing, hives. I think as good men, good people, and good Christians, acting like losers and insulting each other online is not edifying.
If you think that hiding behind a screen and insulting people over fantasy stories and role playing games as a man over 40 with adult children is respectable than you and I are not on the same side because I would be embarrassed to look my daughter in the eyes and tell her that I spend my time on Twitter insulting people because they don't read early 20th century pulp stories about elves.
You aren't being a "bad cop" you are being an online cuck bugman who digitally masturbates by insulting your own side.